“The Healthcare Solution: California OneCare”
By admin on Feb 21, 2009 in Videos
DrDon5 posted the video:
Please watch the revised version with the same title + (R1). They both explain a plan that would provide comprehensive health insurance for Californian while savings money for families, businesses, and government.
On Feb 21, 2009, sitdown248 said:
We are paying for stuff, through the roof. I completely agree, what we are paying for we are not getting. But the solution is not expanding the system. It is obvious that this nationalzied healthcare plans don’t work in America like they do elsewhere.
The people don’t like the government controlling healthcare because they always screw it up
On Feb 22, 2009, mikanally said:
What if I told you were paying for something but not getting it? Your payroll tax scheme is nearly identical to that of Canada and the United Kingdom. So for a single person living in all three countries, the amount of taxes paid is within one percentage point.
This is important, because payroll taxes here cover many things, just like in the U.S.A., the difference being that some of that money in Canada and the U.K. funds the entire healthcare system. It’s quite jarring if you do the research.
On Feb 25, 2009, sitdown248 said:
Yes, I agree. Just like people outside the United States don’t understand the electoral college (although a lot of people here don’t
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I’m being honest, people in the USA do not want nationalzied healthcare. Our healthcare system has many problems, but overrall it is a very productive system, coming up with new cures and treatments all the time. Is it too expensive? Yes. But is the quality there? yes. If you’re getting the quality then the price doesn’t matter as much, imo
On Feb 28, 2009, mikanally said:
I have to admit that it’s very hard for someone outside your country to understand why this is so, but as you say you can’t give people something they don’t want (if that is in fact the case).
On Mar 2, 2009, sitdown248 said:
Ah, now you realize the problems in the system. The uninsured don’t get punished any longer for not being insured. It’s possibly easier now to be uninsured than to be insured because when you get sick you just go to the hospital and get treated, because they have to treat you.
People keep thinking of healthcare has a right, but it’s not, it’s just a product on the market. Green tea supposeably increaess the wellness of your life, should all citizens get this?
On Mar 5, 2009, mikanally said:
Since when do you decide how long you live, then? You’re sure that illness doesn’t run in the family? You’re strong enough to take a beating in an car accident or a violent physical assault? You must be like Superman or something…
Chew on this one for a bit:…If you’re poor in your country (U.S.A.), you’ll get looked after for free, on someone else’s tab, so how is a system where paying people who also pay for the uninsured any better than a single payer system?
On Mar 6, 2009, sitdown248 said:
It depends what kind of health or healthcare you are speaking of. Health is not a commodity, people cannot just take it from you (beat you up, kill you, etc) but healthcare is a commodity. It is something people can get to enhance their lives, it’s not a need, its a want. It is confused as a need and right often, but it is not, people didn’t used to have healthcare and survived fine, so I do not see the “right” argument
On Mar 9, 2009, sitdown248 said:
Yes, I completely agree, people cannot work and create if they are unhealthy, but they can’t if they don’t have food, or no place to live. The government isn’t required to provide these two things for every citizen, why should they be required to provide healthcare? I agree, let’s let democracy and equal opportunity flow. The majoirty does NOT want nationalzied healthcare and forcing people into the government citizen doens’t sound like equal opportunity to me
On Mar 10, 2009, lilydacat said:
Health care is a resource that is an essential component for a modern society to function. People cannot work nor innovate if they are unhealthy. Communities in the US have already decided to share the risk when it comes to publicly financing firefighters, policeman, rapid transit, and military. Health insurance also needs to be publically financed as well. In a country that stands for democracy and equal opportunity, no one individual should have better or worse health care than another.
On Mar 12, 2009, sitdown248 said:
Yes, you are correct, health is different then, let’s say a refrigerator or a car. However, just because it is different does not mean it is the government’s oblagation to provide. The government does have an oblagation to protect it, such as forbidding people to hurt one another, etc. However, there is no such oblagation applying to medical coverage. This is simply a want/desire. Living a long life is not a right. Life is a right, but the length is your choice.
On Mar 15, 2009, amyinarms said:
One’s health is not a commodity however, such a concept is unethical.
On Mar 18, 2009, crewlla said:
In Alberta Canada, the goverment takes on paying the doctors and surgens and any other medical except: eyecare, ambulance, physio,specail family new baby rooms, and medication though are covered by blue cross. If the states had a real health care I would be so tempted to move from canada to the states.
On Mar 22, 2009, nilent said:
pt 2
The existing health care system is driven by pure greed and profit….there are perverse incentives to even keep people sick! lol
Unless you’re willing to simply let the poor all die in the streets…we already have universal “coverage” but it’s at the tail end of life when the poor are at deaths door and the system will spend millions on ICU etc that fails or ends up becoming ongoing chronic expensive etc.
Meanwhile humans suffer and even more money is wasted.
It’s cheaper to be good!
On Mar 22, 2009, nilent said:
When you say that “anything the government touches immediately turns to crap” you are, in effect saying that government is categorically evil/bad etc.
The problem isn’t government; it’s bad/corrupt government.
Who corrupts government? The private sector.
That’s who pays the legalized bribery that created the current health care system.
The answer is to raise consciousness and to clean up the corruption and pass laws that give people a decent life framework.
Freedom includes order.
see pt2
On Mar 24, 2009, sitdown248 said:
When have I stated that government wasn’t necessary? However, we should try to keep it as small as possible, because we all know anything the government touchs immediately turns to crap. China is run under communism my friend. Profit runs the economy. There are more important things, but not in business
On Mar 26, 2009, nilent said:
Without government, you would probably be dead right now….or you would be a slave to the local warlord. (Or maybe you would BE the local warlord….until someone more ruthless knocked you off)
If you want to live in a land where pure unfettered capitalism.materialism is king, you should move to China.
There are things in life far more important than the “profit” motive.
On Mar 27, 2009, NoticeOfDefault said:
what is interesting I have seen people of other countries come to America just to get medical care. I mean their sole purpose is to come get treated and go home. But Americans themselves do not know how to work the system???
On Mar 30, 2009, sitdown248 said:
Tell me, when did I ever say I supported public education? I would love to get rid of this government sham, but obviously it will never happen. What is the responsiblity of a government? To protect citizens’ rights. Healthcare and education are not rights. Things like the fire department, police, military, and transportation (i.e. roads) are rights. These are things the government should provide, however, why should the government force me to pay for someone else’s healthcare?
On Apr 2, 2009, digitalnow said:
you are comparing shopping for goods to public education of our nations children? oh, wait, you are talking about health care. Did you go to public schools, sitdown248? I guess I paid for it then. I wish I could stop you from using the side walks, the parks, and the roads too, as you feel that no one should be paying for anything someone else will use. The whole point to all this is lost to you, because you just don’t want to see the truth. You too will get sick, and you may not get care
On Apr 2, 2009, sitdown248 said:
digitalnow, I suggest you check your logic. Tell me, when you go into a store, do you go around take a bunch of stuff and just say “i need it”? No, that would be called stealing, but why do we support people who want to do it with healthcare. Remember, free healthcare isn’t free, it’s only free to those that DON’T pay taxes!
On Apr 5, 2009, digitalnow said:
dear sitdonw248, your kidding right? no one can be that stupid, so your just kidding, right? Okay, sitdown248, if you are not kidding, about people living without health care, and lazy people not being worthy of health care, then you need to turn off the hate media, turn off the corporate speaker on the Fox news show who is being paid to be there by the health insurance company. Get a book on logic, and start thinking.
On Apr 6, 2009, digitalnow said:
Hey JaneJane47, why not mention that corporations are using poision in plastics that are found in all water bottles, and canned food,and that pollution is being pumped out into the air, soil, and water. not like that makes anyone sick. and why not say something about corporations to market cradle to grave on fast food, sodas, and cigs?
On Apr 8, 2009, digitalnow said:
L571J, about the disease process in the body, one thing can cause the body to respond in such a way that other things go wrong. the autoimmune is a mystery, admitted by top docs.
On Apr 9, 2009, digitalnow said:
digitalcurry, I was over staying my student visa in the UK, when I had to be treated for a bee sting. I tired to pay them, but they just laughed at me. I am a well educated, wealthy, white female I am for universal health care. sale off your health care stock, a new wind is coming.
On Apr 11, 2009, maddoxfanx said:
Obviously because your one view of how many people get the care you need is the correct one that reflects the entire country. If your money going to those damn lazy welfare recipients is your biggest concern with a Single Payer System, then I sure as hell hope you aren’t using the US Postal Service anytime soon.